Discussion on Ghazwatulind – Maniac Muslim

This is an excrept from one of the discussions taking place on Maniac Muslim.

Conqurer:

Ahadith in Islam are one of the most Authentic and undisputed religious assert after Quraan. There are 4 of such Ahadith which says that India will be taken over by Muslims near the end of times because there in Ahadith its mentioned that Isa Ibn-e-Maryam (Holy Prophet Isa) will be about to arrive that time. It hurts and is unbelievable when I think that this is the fate of India in the end. Leave Islamic Prophecies aside, Nostradamus has similar prophecies about Army of Three Lions that will be taken over after the involvement of Great Queen, interpreted as Russia.

Have a look at what Nostradamus stated:
http://www.scribd.co……us-predictions

Go to Page 96, Verse No. 16 which says

The deep entry made by the great Queen
will make the place powerful and incredible;
the army of three lions will be defeated
causing within a thing hideous and terrible.

I have been watching all the series of “Nemat Ullah Shah Wali” URL: http://www.scribd.co…ullah-Shah-Wali who has written more then 250 prophecies about Indian and Countries around. These prophecies are nearly 800 years old and 80% of them have been ful-filled with exact dates, exact name of the people, time. So even this book is studied and its prophecies are evaluated, one would believe that whatever this book is saying, has happened and whatever is left, will happen. Remaining 20% prophecies are mostly about India and Pakistan / Afghanistan and the foreign policy of the world towards this region. Nemat Ullah Shah Wali says that there will be two more wars (After the war of 1971) between India and Pakistan. One will be a regional kind of war that might have already happened in the form of “Karghil Conflict”, and the other will be the final battle that will result in the fall of India and Pakistan would take over Dehli. (He has particulrly mentioned that “Dehli will be Pak”). So thinking all that, I am sure that this is matter of fate and this is about to happen. Its written by God and no human could change the future.

I am only curious that how such a Large Nation like India would fall to a country that is not even 10th of its might. But when I look at differences of Hindus with Shoders (Hindus of lower cast or lower religious value) and Muslims (who are treated more or less the same way) of India, I feel this war will not be between two Countries as we see, this will be between two Nations and Muslims believe they are one Nation no matter in which country they are living, even if they are living in England, they consider themselves to be part of Muslim Ummah first. Remember the Afghan War of 80s in which Muslims from North, East, South and the West combined and fought against Russia and defeated it. I understand there were Western Forces fighting backing up all that but this could happen again in the Case of India if China, Iran and Afghanistan play their role. I believe something similar will happen to India and India will also have a severe kind of resistance from Muslims which is nearly 15% of Indian Population.

Hydro American:

Yes,no doubt hadiths play a major role in our deen, but not those that are weak or fabricated.  Unfortunately, man of these weak and fabricated hadith are still going around the subcontinent.
In order for a hadith to be accepted we have to know the chain of narration and its classification by famous muhaddiths like Bukhari, Muslim, etc.

Addixion:

Some one is going to get banned again. And I think only one person is going to get banned, because both accounts probably belong to the same person.

Not-you-again is the other side of the copy paste scholars which we saw few months back on MM. In the end all copy paste scholars are easy to recognize. They copy-paste and they strongly try to impose their views on others. Often misguided views too!

Conqueror:

Yes the 4 Ahadith that I am talking about are not listed in Sahi Bukhari or Sahi Muslim but in Sunan Nasai Vol. 2 . If you analyze Books of Ahadith, you will find there are more than 10 Ahadith that have discussed the War-Of-India (GhazwatulHind). Reason why only 4 of them are referenced is because these 4 are extremely credible otherwise one would say there exist 10+ Ahadith. Have a look at their references and what Ravis are saying about what Holy Prophet PBUH said. No Hadith is contrary to the other but is in support of it. One of the Ravi of these 4 Ahadith is Immam Abu Huraira who is the Ravi of thousands of Ahadith and one of the most credible person. There are 10s of other scholars of the time who confirm the credibility of these selected Ahadith. These Ahadith were written almost 1400 years ago when there was no regional bias or signs of India/Pakistan as such and chances that somebody might have “cooked” something to affect regional policies of today would be nothing but absurd. So what reason one might have to deny them? I would say yes, these Ahadith are credible and without any trace of doubt.

Pomak:

Provide a chain of narration or it is just you making it up.

Conqueror:

LOL.. komon take a breath. No offense but dont expect some latest high-tech multi processing long battery time reference released in year 2009 would be there to support these Ahadith. When you are looking for references from religious scriptures, those will be copy-pasted! So bare with me on that.

Regarding References, You can find Ahadith of Ghazwatulhind in Sunan Nasai, Volume No. 2,  Chapter: Kitab-ul-Jihad and Sub-Chapter: Ghazwatulhind. Sunan-Nasai is one of the 6 Books of Ahadith and there is no doubt weather discussion of GhazwatulHind is there no not. Ghazwatulhind is Authentic as much as any other Hadith mentioned in the book of Ahadith.

But let me put all the reference books for One Hadith now so you could also start and make needful research if needed.

HADITH OF ABU HURAIRA
=======================
“I was told by my khalil, the truthful and believed in, the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) that there will be in this umma an expedition sent to Sind and Hind (India) … .” The rest of the narration is the same but it has the following addition, “… then I will be released from the Hellfire.

REFERENCES
=====================
1st Referenced by Immam Ahmed Bin Junbal and Quoted in his Book “Albadaya-Wanahaya”
2nd REferenced by Immam Nissai (Author of Sunun Nissai) also Quoted this Hadith with slightly different wordings in his books “Sunun Almujtaba” and “Sununul Kubra”.
3rd Referenced by Immam Behiqi Quoted in “Sununul Kubra”.
4th Referenced by Immam Ahmed in Masnad.
5th Immam Abu Naeem Isfahani Quoted in his book “Khaliya-tul-Aoliya”
6th Saeed Bin Mansoor Quoted in his book “AlsunNun”
7th Naeed Bin Hammad (Teacher of Immam Bukhari) Quoted in “Alfatan”
8th Iban-e-Ibi Khatim in his book “Al-Allal”
9th Immam Bukhari in his book “Tareek-Al-Kabeer”
10th Immam Mazi in his book “Tehzeeb”
11th Iab-e-Khujar Askalani in his book “Tehzeeb Al Tahzeeb”.
================================

I have read the references of Hadith No. 1 and tried to write as much close to their original name as much I can. Howerver Arabic names might be pronounced a little diffent than they are done in Urdu and I appologise for any difference in them. Now that was one Hadith only, 11 References other than the original Reference of Immam Abu Huraira.. 12 in Total for just one hadith. There 4 more to go and I hope those references will be equally credible as these are.

Lets stop thinking that we are right and others are wrong on the basis of our limited intellect. We as a human dont know many things and there will be new things that God will keep revealing to us throughout our lives. So one should remain open to analyze and study the presented subject matter. If presented material is not credible enough, you are welcome not to believe it but rejecting before actually studying the content would be a fault. Lets avoid that and improve our approach towards Islam and Life in general.

Jazak-Allah for your time and attention. May God bless you all.

4 Responses to “Discussion on Ghazwatulind – Maniac Muslim”

  1. Hey wat shit ur speakin ,India is the land of Lions n will never be defeated even if God comes against us,,,n ur prophecies muslims are always boastful of them,in turn i believe that muslim world will face stagnation

    • Sonia Ruth'aaina' Says:

      Fear God ! You are challenging God !! Who made Lions ? Can creation be higher than The Creator ?

      • ghazwatulhind Says:

        I fear God and fear to be wrong. All answers are provided with best of my knowledge but I seek forgiveness from Lord Almighty if I’ve been incorrect somewhere.

  2. baadsha Says:

    My dear muslim brothers I have to remind you that Hind includes eastern parts of Pakistan ( Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad ) and it includes Bangladesh. You should not be mistaken of thinking that Pakistan muslim army will conquer Hind because it is includes Pakistan. Thousands of years ago the name of india or at least what out siders called it was India and it always included eastern parts of current day Pakistan. Hind was many time conquered by muslim army which at time were usually called empires. Muslim empires that conquered Hind several time were Durrani empire, Lodhi empire and several others that came manly from Afghanistan and included western parts of current day Pakistan . And the people of the empir were Pashtuns ( pathans, bani israel ). And the army will be once again from khorasan. That army will carry black banners and no oné will be able to stop them until they reach Jerusalem. Watch the videos of Imran Hussein about khorasan ( Afghanistan ).

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